Frequently Asked Questions

Question#1: I am a current RSNC member, why am I not seeing my points on your website from the show I rode at last weekend?

Answer#1: It may be that the show you rode at has not been received and processed at our HQ office yet. Producers have 10 days to send us their show information. To check to see if the show you rode at has been added to the points races click on the link that says “Click Here to see what shows are included in this posting” that is located on each of the points pages above the US map.

Question#2: Why am I not seeing my Masters points that I have earned in the points races on the website?

Answer#2: Masters points earned will not show on the points race pages unless the RSNC HQ Office has a date of birth on file for contestants. If you do not see your Masters points listed, please contact our HQ office at #970-897-2901.

Question#3: Why am I not seeing my Youth points that I have earned on the website?

Answer#3: Youth points earned will not show on this page unless the RSNC HQ Office has a date of birth on file for youth contestants. If you do not see your youth points listed, please contact our HQ office at #970-897-2901.

Question #4: I am planning on competing as a Beginner for the first time at an RSNC event next weekend. Can I only enter the beginner class?

Answer #4: As a Beginner you pretty much have open range to enter all classes, although for the Youth class you have to be 13 and younger and for Masters class you have to be 50 or older. If it’s a number class such as the #8 HC (handicap)- the combined rating between you and your partner must not exceed that number class, in this case it is 8. So, if your rating is a 1 you can ride with a partner that has a rating up to a 7. But let’s say your partner is a 2, that would make your combined rating a 3 and the difference is your handicap, which would be 5. You always get 60 seconds to sort your cattle but if it is a handicap class you get to add your handicap in seconds. So now you have 65 seconds to sort your cows. After you are done sorting, your handicap time is removed from your final time. So, say you got 6 cows sorted in your 65 seconds, but your last cow came through at 55 seconds, we then minus your HC time of 5 seconds, so your final calculated time would be 6 cows in 50 seconds. If it is a Ranch Hand class that means only one person can sort and only one person can work the gate. The Rookie #11 HC has a 2 cap on the sorter. So only a #1 or #2 rated rider can sort but the gate can be worked by a higher rated rider.

Question #5: When it says $25 entry fee on the show flyer is that per rider or team?

Answer #5: When the cost on the flyer states $25/rider- this means both the sorter and the gate pay the $25- that’s $50 a-team. You can ride up to 5 times in a class (5 different teams) There is also a $3 sanctioning fee per rider per team at any RSNC Sanctioned event. So, in this case, if the class is $25/rider and you add the sanctioning fee it is $28 per rider per team.

Question #6: I joined as a Beginner and had a free membership because I am new to RSNC. When will I need to renew my membership?

Answer #6: As long as you remain a Beginner, you will not need to renew your membership. Once you move up to a higher division your membership will remain current through the RSNC National Finals of the current year but will need to renew your membership immediately after the National Finals event ends (usually in July each year) since our membership year runs from July to July. To renew your membership you may choose to either pay the annual $50 membership fee or bring a new contestant to ride at a show to receive your renewal for free.

Question #7: Can you please provide an explanation about each of your classes and who can ride in them?

Answer #7: Listed below,  you will find an explanation about each of our classes and who can ride in them.

#5 – #15 Handicap-

  • One (1) additional second is given for every number a team’s combined rating falls below the class number. For example, a #3 rider and a #5 rider have paired to ride in the #13 which will be run on a 60 second clock. Their team rating is 8 (3 + 5 = 8); therefore, they will receive five (5) additional seconds (13 – 8 = 5). This team will sort on a 65 second clock (60 + 5 = 65). After the run, those additional seconds ARE SUBTRACTED from the final time. So, if the team sorted 5 head in 63.5 seconds, they turn-in a 58.5 on 5 head (63.5 – 5 = 58.5).

All Levels Handicap-

  • In the All-Levels Handicap, the maximum team rating is 18 (a pair of #9 riders). So you could think of this as a #18 Handicap class. Therefore, a team receives one (1) second for every number their rating is below 18. This means that if a #6 rider and a #2 rider pair in the All-Levels Handicap which is being run on a 60 second clock, that team will receive 10 additional seconds (6+2=8) & (18 – 8 = 10) – 10 = 58); they will sort on a 70 second clock. If the team sorts 9 head in 68 seconds, they will turn-in a 58 on 9 head (68 – 10 = 58).

#14 Ranch Hand Handicap-

  • In the #14 Ranch Hand Handicap, the maximum combined team rating is 14. The Sorter/Gate Rider must be designated. The Gate Rider may not sort or turn toward a cow to take it out the gate. He can go in the sorting pen to turn back cattle.
  • One (1) additional second is given for every number a team’s combined rating falls below the class number For example, a #3 rider and a #5 rider have paired to ride in the #14 which will be run on a 60 second clock. Their team rating is 8 (3 + 5 = 8); therefore, they will receive six (6) additional seconds (14 – 8 = 6). This team will sort on a 66 second clock (60 + 6 = 66). After the run, those additional seconds ARE SUBTRACTED from the final time. So, if the team sorted 5 head in 63.5 seconds, they turn-in a 57.5 on 5 head (63.5 – 6 = 57.5).

#11 Ranch Hand Handicap (4 cap on sorter)-

  • In the #11 Ranch Hand Handicap, the maximum combined team rating is 11. The sorter can not rated higher than a  #4 because there is a 4 cap on the sorter. Therefore the highest rated rider a #4 could be partnered with is a #7.
  • The Sorter/Gate Rider must be designated. The Gate Rider may not sort or turn toward a cow to take it out the gate. He can go in the sorting pen to turn back cattle.
  • One (1) additional second is given for every number a team’s combined rating falls below the class number for example, a #3 rider and a #5 rider have paired to ride in the #11 which will be run on a 60 second clock. Their team rating is 8 (3 + 5 = 8); therefore, they will receive three (3) additional seconds (11 – 8 = 3). This team will sort on a 63 second clock (60 + 3 = 66). After the run, those additional seconds ARE SUBTRACTED from the final time. So, if the team sorted 5 head in 60 seconds, they turn-in a 57 on 5 head (60– 3 = 57).
  • If a #14 RH Handicap class is offered, the #11RH Handicap should have a #4 cap on the sorter. If there is not a #14RH HC on the schedule, it is not necessary to cap the sorter in the #11 RH HC.

#11 Rookie Handicap (2 cap on sorter)-

  • In the #11 Rookie Handicap, the maximum combined team rating is 11. The sorter can not rated higher than a  #2 because there is a 2 cap on the sorter. Therefore the highest rated rider a #2 could be partnered with is a #9.
  • The Sorter/Gate Rider must be designated. The Gate Rider may not sort or turn toward a cow to take it out the gate. He can go in the sorting pen to turn back cattle.
  • One (1) additional second is given for every number a team’s combined rating falls below the class number for example, a #2 rider and a #6 rider have paired to ride in the #11 which will be run on a 60 second clock. Their team rating is 8 (2 + 6 = 8); therefore, they will receive three (3) additional seconds (11 – 8 = 3). This team will sort on a 63 second clock (60 + 3 = 66). After the run, those additional seconds ARE SUBTRACTED from the final time. So, if the team sorted 5 head in 60 seconds, they turn-in a 57 on 5 head (60– 3 = 57).

#10 Beg Ranch Hand Handicap (1 cap on sorter)-

  • In the #10 Beg Ranch Hand Handicap, the maximum combined team rating is 10. The sorter can not rated higher than a  #1 because there is a 1 cap on the sorter. Therefore the highest rated rider a #1 could be partnered with is a #9.
  • The Sorter/Gate Rider must be designated. The Gate Rider may not sort or turn toward a cow to take it out the gate. He can go in the sorting pen to turn back cattle.
  • One (1) additional second is given for every number a team’s combined rating falls below the class number for example, a #1 rider and a #7 rider have paired to ride in the #10 which will be run on a 60 second clock. Their team rating is 8 (1 + 7 = 8); therefore, they will receive two (2) additional seconds (10 – 8 = 2). This team will sort on a 62 second clock (60 + 2 = 62). After the run, those additional seconds ARE SUBTRACTED from the final time. So, if the team sorted 5 head in 58 seconds, they turn-in a 56 on 5 head (58– 2 = 56).

Beginner Sort (non-handicap)-

  • In the Beginner Sort, the maximum combined team rating is 2. Both team partners may only be rated as #1 Beginners.
  • Both Team partners are aloud to switch back and forth between the sort and gate positions. The Gate Rider may not sort or turn toward a cow to take it out the gate. He can go in the sorting pen to turn back cattle.
  • In this class the team will be sorting with 6 head of cattle (5 numbered and 1 blank)
  • There is no handicap, therefore the team will be running on a 60 second clock.

#10 Beginner Youth Ranch Hand Handicap  (1 cap on sorter age 13 & under; gate rider may be an adult or an experienced rider)-

  • In the Beginner Youth Ranch Hand Handicap, the maximum combined team rating is 10. The sorter can not rated higher than a  #1 because there is a 1 cap on the sorter, they also must be age 13 and under. The gate rider may be an adult or an experienced rider. The highest rated rider a #1 could be partnered with is a #9.
  • The Sorter/Gate Rider must be designated. The Gate Rider may not sort or turn toward a cow to take it out the gate. He can go in the sorting pen to turn back cattle.
  • One (1) additional second is given for every number a team’s combined rating falls below the class number for example, a #1 rider and a #7 rider have paired to ride in the #10 which will be run on a 60 second clock. Their team rating is 8 (1 + 7 = 8); therefore, they will receive two (2) additional seconds (10 – 8 = 2). This team will sort on a 62 second clock (60 + 2 = 62). After the run, those additional seconds ARE SUBTRACTED from the final time. So, if the team sorted 5 head in 58 seconds, they turn-in a 56 on 5 head (58– 2 = 56).
  • In the Beginner Youth Division, or any other division, if the gate rider is not charged an entry fee, then the $3 Sanctioning Fee is not required. Points will not be distributed as well. If the $3 Sanctioning Fee is charged then points will be awarded.

#4 (non-handicap)-

  • In the #4, the maximum combined team rating is 4. The highest rated rider that can ride in this class is a #3 rated rider partnered with a #1.
  • Both Team partners are aloud to switch back and forth between the sort and gate positions. The Gate Rider may not sort or turn toward a cow to take it out the gate. He can go in the sorting pen to turn back cattle.
  • There is no handicap, therefore the team will be running on a 60 second clock.

Sadie Hawkins #11 Handicap-

  • In the Sadie Hawkins #11 Handicap, the maximum combined team rating is 11. The team must be a male/female team.
  • Both Team partners are aloud to switch back and forth between the sort and gate positions. The Gate Rider may not sort or turn toward a cow to take it out the gate. He can go in the sorting pen to turn back cattle.
  • One (1) additional second is given for every number a team’s combined rating falls below the class number for example, a #3 rider and a #5 rider have paired to ride in the #11 which will be run on a 60 second clock. Their team rating is 8 (3 + 5 = 8); therefore, they will receive three (3) additional seconds (11 – 8 = 3). This team will sort on a 63 second clock (60 + 3 = 66). After the run, those additional seconds ARE SUBTRACTED from the final time. So, if the team sorted 5 head in 60 seconds, they turn-in a 57 on 5 head (60– 3 = 57).

*All Classes are required to be a pick 1 automatically draw 1.

 *All Classes are required to be up to a 5 ride limit with a maximum of 4 picks

 *You can pick up to 4 or draw any amount up to 5.

 *In any Ranch Hand Class you can pick up to 8 or draw any amount up to 9.

 

Question #8: How do you determine what a rider needs to be rated and when will their rating be moved?

Answer #8: Listed below you will find Rating Explanations.

#1 Beginner –

  • A #1 Beginner is a rider who has had little or no cattle experience and has won less than $500 in Penning/cutting/sorting events.
  • Once a #1 rider has either won 3 checks or $500 with RSNC they will be moved up to a #2 Rookie.
  • The Points a #1 rider accumulated as a #1 will transfer over to their new rating as a #2, however they may not surpass the placing they were in if they carry over more points than the current person holding that same placing as a #2

Example: Charlie is in 3rd place with 25 points as a #1, he has now been moved to a #2. The current 3rd place rider in the #2’s is Henry and he has 20 points. Therefore Charlie can only carry over 19 points in to the #2 Rookie rating points. If Henry would have had 26 or more points in 3rd place, Charlie would have carried over all 25 points.

 When being moved up from a #1 to a #2 your points as a #1 will be frozen under the National Points. This means the rider can no longer earn points as a #1. Having frozen points gives this rider an extra class to ride in at the National Finals called the (Graduated Beginner Class).

  • There are no frozen points under State Points because we do not offer a Graduated Beginner Class at State Finals Events.

#2 Rookie

  • A #2  Rookie is a rider who has some cattle experience that has won between $500-$1000  in Penning/cutting/sorting events.
  • Once a #2/Rookie’s earnings in RSNC sanctioned events reaches $1000 (youth classes excluded) and that amount has been confirmed and recorded at the RSNC Headquarters, he/she will no longer be eligible to ride as a #2 Rookie unless their win/loss ratio is below a 0.75 in the #6 and below divisions. Then they will remain a #2 until they earn $1,500 at which point their win/loss ratio will be evaluated again.  If a #2 rated rider has not reached the 0.75 win/loss ratio they will be evaluated every 6 months.
  • The Points a #2 rider accumulated as a #2 will transfer over to their new rating as a #3, however they may not surpass the placing they were in if they carry over more points than the current person holding that same placing as a #3. See example above.
  • When being moved up from a #2 to a #3 your points as a #2 will be frozen under the National Points. This means the rider can no longer earn points as a #2. Having frozen points gives this rider an extra class to ride in at the National Finals called the (Graduated Rookie Class).
  • There are no frozen points under State Points because we do not offer a Graduated Rookie Class at State Finals Events.

#3-4 Novice

  • A #3 or #4  Novice is a rider who has a fair amount of cattle experience that has won over a $1000 in Penning/cutting/sorting events.
  • All #3 Novice riders are reviewed twice a year, one after State Finals and once after National Finals. We take the top 10% with the highest win/loss ratio and move them to a #4 Novice and we take the bottom 10% and move them back down to a #2. These individuals will be reviewed again at the next review time whether it be after the State Finals or National Finals. All #4 Novice riders are reviewed once a year after the National Finals, we also take the top 10% with the highest win/loss ratio and move them to a #5 and we take the bottom 10% and move them back down to a #3.
  • The Points a #3 or #4 rider accumulated as a #3or #4 will transfer over to their new rating as a #4 or #5, no matter their placing. All points move straight across.
  • #3 or #4 Novice points are not frozen if you move up, because there is not a Graduated Novice Class at the National Finals.

#5 & Above

  • All #5 and above riders have a significant amount of cattle experience and most likely belong to other cow/horse associations.
  • All #5 and above riders are  reviewed once a year after the National Finals, we take the top 10% with the highest win/loss ratio and move them to the next rating level and we take the bottom 10% and move them back down one rating level.
  • All points move straight across, no matter the placing.
  • There are also no frozen points in these rating levels as well.

National Points are earned from July to June

National Finals are usually held the end of June or the first part of July

Top 20 from each rating category from each state that have ridden at 5 sanctioned RSNC Events qualify for high point prizes, however anyone can compete at this event.

State Points are earned from January to December

State Finals are usually held the end of December or first part of January

            The top 20 from each rating category of their state that have ridden at 4 sanctioned RSNC 

 

Question #9: I am having a hard time understanding rules for AQHA/RSNC shows. If I am a #3 rider showing in the AQHA / RSNC Open class and have more than one horse riding AQHA Open then only the first round counts for AQHA on each of my horses. But then does that mean that the horse and round totals also would count with the handicap to get to RSNC final go? Also, how would you work AM. and Open classes for the same horse? Do you ride that combo horse and rider 2 times?

Answer #9: The two classes that can be co-sanctioned with RSNC are the Open and the Youth. Amateur cannot be co-sanctioned. If you are an Amateur you can ride your horse in both the AQHA Amateur and co-sanctioned RSNC/AQHA Open.
In the AQHA /RSNC Open class, you can enter RSNC with a maximum of 5 rides just like always. It doesn’t matter what horse you ride. If you also want to enter the AQHA Open class then you designate the teams and horses that will be AQHA. Your AQHA partners for you and your horse or horses also must be entered with you as an AQHA team. To clarify, both you and your partner must be entered in the AQHA open class together. When that team makes their run in the RSNC/AQHA class then your 1st round time at 60 seconds will determine your AQHA placing. The remainder of your handicap time (if any) and the final round or rounds will determine your RSNC placing. When the run is complete the timer will announce the RSNC time and then back the lap timer up to the last time before 60 seconds and read the AQHA time. It is an opportunity to pay less of an entry fee for 2 separate classes and it allows you to place in both within the same class.
AQHA/RSNC co-sanctioned event allows the producer to draw contestants from both organizations and allows contestants to save money while qualifying for the huge payouts at the RSNC National Finals and the AQHA World Show Finals. Until rules are unified AQHA rules will be followed on co-sanctioned classes. A note to Producers, AQHA does have 120 day application deadline so be sure to plan ahead and contact AQHA 806-376-4811 or email Lisa Pond at LPond@aqha.org to request a Special Event Application. With AQHA Partner Alliance Status the 4 RSNC Regional Super Sorts and RSNC National Finals will be Double AQHA point classes giving everyone a huge head start on their qualification process. This is a win/win for all involved and especially for the sport of Ranch Sorting. If you have questions, contact the RSNC office at: info@rsnc.us or call 970-897-2901.

Question #10: How do I become a RSNC Judge?

Answer #10: To become a RSNC judge you have to be associated with a producer in your area. Once that association is confirmed by the producer, RSNC will send you the test to take.

When the test has been taken you can…

1. Return your completed test via fax:  970-897-2921, mail: RSNC, P.O. Box 1, Wellington, CO 80549, or email: info@rsnc.us

2. Send in your $25 Judge’s Membership fee (only if you are not a current RSNC member),by check made to RSNC or make payment on the online store.

3. You will be notified within 2 weeks of your results of your test and your information will be posted on the RSNC Approved Judge’s list on the RSNC website.

Question #11: How are points awarded in Round Robin classes?

Answer #11: Listed below, you will find explanations about Round Robin Classes.

a.) Points are awarded to the top teams in the class just like in any other sanctioned class. Not the winning individuals. Therefore in your example with 20 riders you will generate 190 teams. Based on 190 teams 1st thru 10th will get double points because there are over 100 teams in the class.1st 18 pts., 2nd 16 pts., 3rd 14 pts., etc…, and 10th 1pt.

Is it a true statement that the top Rider rating’s will be adjusted by RSNC after completion of each round robin , as the earnings will be above the required earnings rule ??   1st place $1680 , 2nd place $1260
b.) Rider rating are only adjusted when the summary report is submitted to the National office. They are not adjusted at the show.
Will each RSNC round robin qualify the rider for the requirements of participation in an sanctioned RSNC show ?    FYI – we are trying to have ~20 riders in each round robin.
c.) All RSNC shows must offer a minimum of 3 sanctioned classes including an All Levels and a Beginner class. Round Robins qualify for a sanctioned class. If a contestant participates in the round robin then they qualify as riding at an approved sanctioned show.

Question #12: How does a round robin class work?

Answer #12: A Round Robin is where each rider rides with every other rider one time. Each rider accumulates the number of cattle sorted on each team he or she is on and at the end, the rider with the most cattle sorted in the fastest accumulated time wins.